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June 8-9, 2023 some added notes on the 9th in father, eyes, intelligent/smarts
Catholic abuse early childhood?
It still feels like Kohberger’s condition might have a connection to a possible
Catholic abuse situation but I would also check for any ethnic issues like
Jewishness, Native Americanism linked to PA tribal roots or nearby or any other
ethnic/racial aspect, people have looked into the origins of the last name but I am
not aware of anything definitive although Jewishness came up as a possibility in
one online query that I read. I wondered about ethnic,
racial early on, Catholic did come up as a possible vibe early on, but it was
uncertain. That he connected with a Catholic support in prison and went to a
Catholic college further indicates a possible earlier Catholic link. I would check for
Catholic abuse in any schools, churches or relative in his early years.
Father?
something comes up on Bryan Kohberger’s father. Like the father is a game
player, head games, subtle dark humor, a sense of disappointments for Bryan,
father maybe made promises or indications and then held out or back, a different
kind of energy, barely able to pick it up, the key word is subtle. I would check if
the father around schools (apparently maintenance) had ever had complaints for
sexual or other issues around children.
Eyes
I would watch for when his eyes started to change in his early childhood photos. I
would think most people would notice the look in his eyes. It has a wildness, a
penetrating look, an intelligent look, and and other-worldly.
Suspicion: an abused Bryan correlates with a shift in how his eyes looked
d
Intelligent in some ways, but lacking “smarts”
In real life, his intelligence lacks “smarts” as it seems from glaring mistakes in his
evidence leavings, but there might be a Catholic lofty way of judge and jury -
Lacking smarts means lacking common sense, getting lost in the details, the
abuse pattern dysfunction both as victim and attacker causes a disconnect, hence
alleged wearing of plastic gloves in his parents’ house, he goes inside himself and
is not aware or aware enough of how his behavior impacts those around him.
May 5-6 2023
ARREST - KOHBERGER
[This brief comment here in brackets moved here to Comments from Kohberger
Arrest (b) Updates area: Some of the material here was first on Current
Commentary-News then moved here and re-organized Note: some of these
articles might be biased and have]
DISCUSSION
Many pointers are directed at Kohberger as being the guilty party. However, in
addition, the defense attorney wants to talk to one of the remaining roommates,
feeling information might clear Kohberger. Beyond this, although I support the
police and am concerned for their well-being in dealing with such a tragedy and
high profile case, I must voice one concern below. Yesterday I put out three
messages of concern for some police person’s well-being as I feel the case has
gotten to him emotionally.
I feel something might be off within the local police and that something has
been attempted to be covered up, and it could involve a buddy-buddy system in
the police not to rat on each other, to keep secrets. I am not targeting the
Moscow police and do not mention this casually.
I am not clear what a certain coverup might be, but I feel it might be more in the
local precinct, not in the extended investigative platform in one sense, but in
another sense, possibly a systemic collusion. It is important the police tell the
truth all the way, even if it means getting in trouble, losing face for self or
department, or causing the case to be re-arranged in focus in some way.
In terms of any systemic collusion, we would ask those questions about it if
Kohberger is innocent or if there is something additional going on.
I do feel Kohberger’s Catholic link should be explored in the early years if
applicable. He is gifted in some ways, the eyes most certainly catch attention.
Whether he truly tried to expose himself in prison should be brought out later
especially if it is an ongoing issue.
If there are additional issues and coverups, we can ask ourselves if that is why
people want the murder house destroyed and Kohberger executed, beyond the
reasons given in the media. Maybe it is to wipe out evidence or
witness info if he knows something.
Comments by Police Factor (PF)
Note January 1, 2023: We want the killer to meet justice to the degree of the
heinous nature of his crimes. However, we also want a successful trial, as well as a
fair trial. A successful trial needs an honest jury untainted by upfront input on the
case. You can put yourself in the shoes of anyone needing a fair trial. When
media or amateur sleuths playing cop, judge, jury and executioner, this can
impact the fair judicial process meant to protect all Americans. As the police chief
and justice administrator indicated in their Public Conference shortly after
Kohberger’s arrest, it is asked that the media use restraint and have patience.
However, if information is already out there, some or much of it will be listed here
as an ongoing learning tool. Some things we can be asking ourselves in addition
to the material on Kohberger is: Who exactly is leaking the information, which
reporters are getting hold of the information, what biased language is being used
in the articles, one that is judgmental, sneering or emotionally laden? Which
reporters and news agencies are allowing that bias? What journalism schools did
these writers attend? Did they learn bad habits from those schools? Who are the
head editors at these news agencies permitting such biased articles?
The United States policing and judicial-arrest system, as well as the media and tips
system, seem to have done a great job, without our knowing the particulars.
There might have been (and still are) some problems or issues along the way, but I
feel the policing groups involved were likely self-assessing, kept learning while
being responsive and were open to ideas by seeking tips. We will likely learn
more later about what was off and what was done right.
This is a complex case. Bryan Kohberger is at once complex yet perhaps also
crudely simple. The police indicated early on that he was messy at the crime
scene.
He allegedly had issues with having been bullied as well as bullying, a vegan food
obsessive compulsive disorder (or at least rigidity and attention to small details)
about not eating meat including not using pans which cooked meat; at least
some felt he was awkward around people; a need to sound educatedly complex,
smart enough to get into a criminal justice and criminology doctoral degree
program, interests and degrees in psychology and criminal justice, reported as
interested in becoming a professor or cop. Reached out to prison inmates in
doing a college study on what they thought and felt throughout their crimes.
Apparently used heroin in high school. Maybe came on too strong with women at
a bar after he had been drinking. A previous friend said he had gotten too rough
and mean so the friendship had to be dropped.
People can agree suspect is creepy, odd, awkward, has a food obsession, etc. - if
true, these things likely contributed to the psychology behind the murders, but it
is not up to the media to build a case against him. Trying to dig up material on
the suspect before the trial even begins can be informative, interesting or a form
of sensationalism which distracts from the serious nature of the case. Even
though some of that material is shared here, it is best to leave the evidence
gathering and psychological evaluations to the professional experts. What is
happening rapidly (within a few days of his arrest) is the media is building its own
case against him.
Kohberger
College
Kohberger has a master’s degree from DeSales University in criminal justice and
was studying at WSU’s department of criminal justice and criminology.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-suspect-pulled-over-twice-cross-
country-race-home-dad-lawyer-claims#spark_wn=1
Meanwhile, many wonder if there may be other victims of the accused killer, who
went to Pleasant Valley schools, Northampton Community College, and DeSales
University. "Looking at the scope of the situation and the ties the defendant has
to my county, I would hold our office, at the disposal of Idaho authorities, to
facilitate a complete background investigation into the defendant," Mancuso said
Tuesday.
https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/poconos-coal/new-information-about-bryan-
kohbergers-time-in-pa-what-happens-next-in-idaho/article_e5838c9e-8c86-11ed-
9933-b33a599c8b96.html
Excess from Case 10b Kohberger
Dec 30, 2022
Bryan Christopher Kohberg was arrested in connection with the Moscow, Idaho
campus area murders.
Fox
Idaho murders: Police serve search warrant at Bryan Christopher Kohberger's
home in Pullman, WA
Kohberger is listed as a PhD student at Washington State University in Pullman
Stephanie PagonesBy Stephanie Pagones , Michael Ruiz | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-police-serve-search-warrant-bryan-
christopher-kohbergers-home-pullman-wa
Dec 27, 2022
Current Commentary Notes (the FBI/SWAT were closing in on the suspect)
Moscow, Idaho Murders-Off-Campus Area
Closing up ongoing input on case other than any significant updates
Gilliam Ex-FBI agent
Dec 23, 2021
Fox News
Idaho murders: Former FBI special agent explains why federal agency hasn't
taken over investigation. Adam Sabes
Dec 21, 2022-Gilliam
Idaho murders: Ex-FBI agent says killer would have been 'exhausted' and fled
'within a 3-hour distance'
By Tuhin Chakraborty
https://meaww.com/ex-fbi-agent-says-idaho-killer-exhausted-after-murder-and-
fled-within-a-3-hour-distance
Nov 28, 2022 -Gilliam
Meaww
2022/11/28 YOUNG MAN WHO HAS KILLED BEFORE!': Former FBI special
agent profiles Idaho student murderer
By Arunava ChakrabartyUpdated On : 16:33 PST, Nov 28, 2022
https://meaww.com/former-fbi-special-agent-jonathan-gilliam-says-idaho-
students-murderer-might-have-killed-before
Excerpt: Gilliam also debunked the claims made by other experts. He said,
"One analyst on another network said that there was probably a female or a
same-sex argument...........I don't think that's the case." He then made the
eyebrow-raising assertion that he is "pretty sure that this was a young male,
somebody who can get into the house and get out in that neighborhood
without being seen."
…realjonathangilliam
My educated predictions of the killers description:
- One killer
- Male
- Young enough to go unnoticed in the neighborhood
- Covert killer, wants to satiate his desires.
- Doesn’t want to get caught
- Not his first time being violent or killing
- May be first time killing at this level (ie multiple victims)
- Is an odd person that people will perceive as dangerous, creepy or just odd
- Probably entered through the second floor sliding glass door that faces the
tree line
- Lives within the three hours of the murder location
- Victims were possibly intoxicated before they went to sleep making it
easier for killer to move from victim to victim
- Killer is probably known by someone for doing something violent in the
past
- May have known victims because there is no report of the dog barking and
no reports of forced entry (although the door may have been open)
- Killer is outwardly uncomfortably and deviant than he is menacing to
people who know him
Please leave your comments below and if you’ve seen someone like this in
the vicinity of Moscow, Idaho, contact police immediately.
#Idahomurders #universityofidaho
— There is no suspect announced, but there's a reason Moscow Police
Chief James Fry believes a quadruple homicide in Moscow will be
solved -- and those reasons lie mostly with investigators trying to
refrain from compromising the case.
Woodall, 26, who manages the food truck, claimed that the duo appeared to
have been there between 1.30 am and 1.40 am, reported NBC. Meanwhile,
the girls appeared to walk toward the truck from the other side of the street
when they arrived. However, the duo was later on joined by a mystery man.
Around 1.53 am, the girls were seen walking away in one direction, leaving
the young man speaking with others at the truck, reported Daily Mail. While
speaking of the mystery man, one of the victims, Kaylee Goncalves’ sister
Alivea said, “Yeah, I think a lot of people were curious about that person, We
were able to identify him and as far as I know he has cooperated with the
police. And that’s all that I know about that." She added, "The footage was a
little frustrating but again there are so many agencies involved, I can’t say I
necessarily blame them."
Earlier-Moved from 10a
Preliminary Hearing - Kohberger: Jun 26, 2023
Fox 13 Seattle
2023/01/12 Idaho murders trial: Brian Kohberger's next court date revealed
https://www.q13fox.com/news/idaho-murders-trial-brian-kohbergers-next-
court-date-revealed
Excerpt: MOSCOW, Idaho - The man accused of killing four University of
Idaho students was back in court Thursday morning for a preliminary status
hearing…Kohberger's attorney asked to delay a preliminary hearing until
late June, and the judge has set it for June 26 at 9 a.m., expecting it to last
for five days.
ARREST - KOHBERGER
Comments by Police Factor (PF)
Note Januray 1, 2023: We want the killer to meet justice to the degree of the
heinous nature of his crimes. However, we also want a successful trial, as well as
a fair trial. A successful trial needs an honest jury untainted by upfront input on
the case. You can put yourself in the shoes of anyone needing a fair trial. When
media or amateur sleuths playing cop, judge, jury and executioner, this can
impact the fair judicial process meant to protect all Americans. As the police
chief and justice administrator indicated in their Public Conference shortly after
Kohberger’s arrest, it is asked that the media use restraint and have patience.
However, if information is already out there, some or much of it will be listed here
as an ongoing learning tool. Some things we can be asking ourselves in addition
to the material on Kohberger is: Who exactly is leaking the information, which
reporters are getting hold of the information, is there some kind of racial issue or
organized human network involved, what biased language is being used in the
articles, one that is judgmental, sneering or emotionally laden? Which reporters
and news agencies are allowing that bias? What journalism schools did these
writers attend? Did they learn bad habits from those schools? Who are the head
editors at these news agencies permitting such biased articles?
1-1-2023
Attorney makes statement
Newsweek
Bryan Kohberger's Attorney Releases Statement
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-murders-brian-kohberger-attorney-statement-
1770609
CBS
Idaho murders suspect willing to waive extradition hearing, attorney says
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/idaho-murders-bryan-kohberger-extradition-
hearing-attorney/
Family Makes Statement
Newsweek
2023/1/1 Idaho Murders Suspect Bryan Kohberger's Family Make Statement. BY
ANNA COMMANDER
https://www.newsweek.com/idaho-murders-suspect-bryan-kohbergers-family-
make-statement-1770648
12-31-2022
New York Post
2022/12/31 Idaho student’s dad reportedly sees link between slain daughter, Bryan
Kohberger
https://nypost.com/2022/12/31/idaho-murder-victims-dad-sees-link-to-daughter-
bryan-kohberger/
12-30-2022
Fox
Idaho murders: Police serve search warrant at Bryan Christopher Kohberger's
home in Pullman, WA
Kohberger is listed as a PhD student at Washington State University in Pullman
Stephanie PagonesBy Stephanie Pagones , Michael Ruiz | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-police-serve-search-warrant-bryan-
christopher-kohbergers-home-pullman-wa
12/30/2022
Bryan Christopher Kohberg was arrested in connection with the Moscow, Idaho
campus area murders.
12/27/2022
Moscow, Idaho Murders-Off-Campus Area
Closing up ongoing input on case other than any significant updates
From Current Commentary-News
ABC News
2022/12/31 No other arrests likely in Idaho murders, chief says: 'We believe
we have our guy'
A 28-year-old graduate student arrested in connection with the murders of
four University of Idaho students is believed to be the only suspect in the
high-profile case, authorities said.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/arrests-idaho-murders-chief-
guy/story?id=96019911
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